![]() ![]() There are obviously some things that changed between the officially published material, and debating those is fair game, but this isn't the place for folks to argue over the virtues of one edition over the other. Be respectful of everyone here racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia etc. This server is intended as a friendly, positive space for our community. I think the Patron simply teaches the warlock how to tap powers, etc, versus granting powers.Welcome to the subreddit for the Eberron Campaign Setting! Rules It was still the Sith's abilities to tap the powers which defined how strong they might be, even more powerful than the Dark Lord himself. In Star Wars, the Sith were trained by the Dark Lord of the Sith on how to increase their power. It's power over the Warlock only lies in further and further secrets. It's always been my understanding that once the power is given/taught, the Patron can no longer withhold it from the Warlock. ".while poring over tomes of forbidden lore." Again with the idea of studying eldritch secrets. ![]() "Warlocks are driven by an insatiable need for knowledge and power" ".warlocks piece together arcane secrets to bolster their own power." Again referencing the Warlock's own power being enhanced by universal secrets "Warlocks are seekers of the knowledge that lies hidden." Doesn't seem like the warlock is being gifted the power so much as taught the methods on how to wield it. ". young elf in golden robes smiles warmly, weaving a magical charm into his honeyed words and bending the palace sentinel to his will"- Not Patron's will- Warlock's will Consider the following flavor text from Warlock Class: But I don't get the vibe that a Warlock simply asks the patron to hand over powers without extensive effort by the Warlock to learn. Instead of learning via books, the warlock seems to learn by doing. The Patron to me has always been more of a mentor with ulterior motives and the Warlock an apprentice leveraging the Patron's knowledge to unlock eldritch power from the universe itself rather than the Patron directly. I've never understood this interpretation of Warlock's powers. The warlock would have to make a new pact to regain his magic. The identity of the warlock's powers seems directly linked to the patron's nature, hence the different features for each patron. On the contrary, should a Warlock's patron die, the pact would be over along with the granted powers. In the Forgotten Realms, your patron might be Azuth or Oghma.Ĭan gods be considered to be patrons for warlocks? Even though it states they cannot but there are contradictions to this rule. In the Realms, Undying patrons include Larloch the Shadow King, legendary master of Warlock's Crypt, and Gilgeam, the God-King of Unther Moander is a dark power of corruption and decay. ![]() Tharizdun, The Chained God is considered an intermediate deity The beings that serve as patrons for warlocks are mighty inhabitants of other planes of existence- not gods, but almost godlike in their power.įiends powerful enough to forge a pact include demon lords such as Demogorgon, Orcus, Fraz'Urb-luu, and Baphomet archdevils such as Asmodeus, Dispater, Mephistopheles, and Belial pit fiends and balors that are especially mighty and ultroloths and other lords of the yugoloths.Įntities of this type include Ghaunadar, called That Which Lurks Tharizdun, the Chained God Dendar, the Night Serpent Zargon, the Returner Great Cthulhu and other unfathomable beings.ĭemogorgon, Baphomet, Orcus are considered lesser deities Sometimes the relationship between warlock and patron is like that of a cleric and a deity, though the beings that serve as patrons for warlocks are not gods, A warlock might lead a cult dedicated to a demon prince, an archdevil, or an utterly alien entity-beings not typically served by clerics. ![]() There seems to be some contradictions in what can and cannot be a warlocks patron. Monstrous Compendium Vol 3: Minecraft Creatures ![]()
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